synonym - MANUFACTURE V PRODUCTION

[SvetlanaS]

We have received a notice of refusal with only one discrepancy as follows:

“Document evidences date of manufacture of goods whereas LC requires document to evidence date of production of goods”

It is true that the document evidences date of manufacture and not date of production as specified in the LC.

English is not my first language but I use it every day and though this wording or data is not identical I do not consider that the wording is in conflict.

We have been remitting presentations under this format wording for LC’s issued by the same bank for many years and this instance is first time it has been stated as a discrepancy.

Your views would be welcome.

Svetlana

[NigelHolt]

In this context manufacture and production can only reasonably be regarded as meaning the same thing.

[SvetlanaS]

Thank you for the short and clear reply which is very helpful.

I was beginning to doubt my judgement and doubt is not an asset for someone checking documents who wishes uphold the integrity of the LC.

Date of production and date of manufacture are the same in a reasonable persons mind.

Regards

Svetlana

[GlennRansier_]

I agree with Jeremy, this cannot be considered a discrepancy.

[AlbertB]

We all agree it is not discrepant. How about if the LC covering an intangible property, i.e., data system, copy right of motion movie, etc. and the LC requires "Date of Production". Do we have a different answer?

[HOANGTHIANHTHU_invalid]

Dear Albert,

“Manufacture” is defined as processes or methods employed in transformation of tangible inputs (raw materials, semi-finished goods, subassemblies) into goods, whereas “production” is defined as processes or methods employed in transformation of tangible inputs and intangible inputs (ideas, information, know how) into goods or services.

Native speakers like you would use “date of production” for both tangible and intangible goods or services, and “date of manufacture” for tangible goods only. However, for people like me whose English is a foreign language, “date of production” and “date of manufacture” can be interchangeably used regardless of tangible or intangible goods or services. Such a misuse does not lead to any misunderstanding, hence, it should be acceptable.

Regards,
N.H.Duc

[NigelHolt]

In my Concise Oxford Dictionary, 7th ed., 1982 (it is rather old) it states:

‘manufacture2 v.t. … produce (articles) by labour …’

‘produce2 v.t. … 4. manufacture (goods) from raw materials etc.’.

(The number '2' quoted above in the dictionary is in 'superscript'.)


[edited 10/9/2009 9:55:03 AM]

[RobReissner]

Agree with Jeremy's first remark that you would have to look at it in its context. You would then, in most cases, say that the same thing is meant when the credit requires either date of "manufacture" or "production". Also, if the credit states "manufacture" in relation to commodity produced by nature (e.g. fruit), you can argue that it is clearly a grammatically incorrect wording. Yes, blank film is manufactured and a motion picture (often indicated as film with a title to it) would be produced. But would gammatically incorrect use of wording be reason for refusal of documents?

Regards,

Rob Reissner

[RobertFoutts]

I fully agree that the words have similar meaning and are not in conflict with each other. A quick look at an on-line Merriam Webster Dictionary shows the definition of "manufacture" as "the act or process of producing something".