Doccred calls for 1) Commercial invoice in duplicate, 2) Full Set Ocean B/L...
3)Official Veterinary Certificate in triplicate.
covering shipment of: Meat and bone meal.
B/L presented indicates Seal 123456
Veterinary Certificate indicates Seal 333333
The thing is that we are talking about 2 differents seals.- For B/L Seal 123456 refers to Container Seal and
for Veterinary Certificate Seal 333333 refers to seal of Ministry of Livestock, Fisheries and Agriculture, issuer of the Veterinary Certificate.
Issuing bank reject documents stating:
Seal indicated in B/L differs from Seal indicated in Veterinary Certificate.
Can I have your expert views on this matter ??
Discrepancy about seals on B/L and Veterinary Cert
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JuanQuevedo
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hatemshehab
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Discrepancy about seals on B/L and Veterinary Cert
It is difficult for me to provide an answer without having a look at the B/L or at least to have precise description of how B/L stated the “seal” thing versus the veterinary certificate.
B/L may state container number and seal in this manner
Cont. No. OCLU 0374268 seal 123456
If in veterinary certificate is referred to in this manner
Cont. No. OCLU 0374268 seal 333333
then veterinary certificate does not correspond with what was stated in the B/L. However if reference to seal number on the B/L is made and another seal number is indicated on veterinary certificate like the following format
B/L: seal 123456
Vet. Cert.: seal 333333
One may also argue that each seal refers to different thing and that there is no strong grounds for raising a discrepancy, simply because the seal does not indentify or qualify itself to something specific such as container.
I would appreciate if you could furnish us further details on the issue.
[edited 9/4/01 8:55:06 PM]
B/L may state container number and seal in this manner
Cont. No. OCLU 0374268 seal 123456
If in veterinary certificate is referred to in this manner
Cont. No. OCLU 0374268 seal 333333
then veterinary certificate does not correspond with what was stated in the B/L. However if reference to seal number on the B/L is made and another seal number is indicated on veterinary certificate like the following format
B/L: seal 123456
Vet. Cert.: seal 333333
One may also argue that each seal refers to different thing and that there is no strong grounds for raising a discrepancy, simply because the seal does not indentify or qualify itself to something specific such as container.
I would appreciate if you could furnish us further details on the issue.
[edited 9/4/01 8:55:06 PM]
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JuanQuevedo
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Discrepancy about seals on B/L and Veterinary Cert
As per your second format,
B/L just states: seal 123456
Veterinary Certificate: seal 333333
Best Regards
B/L just states: seal 123456
Veterinary Certificate: seal 333333
Best Regards
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hatemshehab
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Discrepancy about seals on B/L and Veterinary Cert
I think it is not a valid discrepancy because one could not establish an apparent connection between the two seals; the one appearing on the B/L and the one on the veterinary certificate. Therefore the question of inconsistency does not arise.
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larryBacon
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Discrepancy about seals on B/L and Veterinary Cert
Like Hatem Shehab, I too have difficulty with the description of the situation.
Seal can have more than one meaning. In the case of the veterinary certificate, it may simply mean signature, mark, authentication etc, as when an identifying mark is sealed in hot wax.
If it refers to a container seal, there is no reason why more than one seal cannot be stated on both the B/L and veterinary certificate. In fact, I would suggest that, whereas the container seal no/s. is not required in the veterinary certificate, any or all seals applied to a container should be shown on the B/L.
It is not uncommon for more than one seal to be applied to a container. Unfortunately, in my experience, many freight forwarders only recognise their own seals and unless specifically instructed to include all seals, limit the seal no. shown on the B/L to their own. Failure to include on the B/L all seal nos. attached may have serious consequences relating to insurance and acceptability for health reasons (in the case of a veterinary seal).
Seal can have more than one meaning. In the case of the veterinary certificate, it may simply mean signature, mark, authentication etc, as when an identifying mark is sealed in hot wax.
If it refers to a container seal, there is no reason why more than one seal cannot be stated on both the B/L and veterinary certificate. In fact, I would suggest that, whereas the container seal no/s. is not required in the veterinary certificate, any or all seals applied to a container should be shown on the B/L.
It is not uncommon for more than one seal to be applied to a container. Unfortunately, in my experience, many freight forwarders only recognise their own seals and unless specifically instructed to include all seals, limit the seal no. shown on the B/L to their own. Failure to include on the B/L all seal nos. attached may have serious consequences relating to insurance and acceptability for health reasons (in the case of a veterinary seal).
Discrepancy about seals on B/L and Veterinary Cert
We are now back from New York to join the discussions about seals.
THERE CAN BE MORE THAN ONE SEAL
Anyone may put a seal to the container (or to the goods as the case may be) to ensre that the container or the goods is/are "untouched" after adding the seal(s).
A container may have two seals, although this is not an usual situation. For example, when we were providing forwarding services, we often put two seals just to please our customers by giving an impression of added security, when we were loading the goods for our customers.
The inspecting agent may add a seal to the goods (or to the container) to ensure that the goods/container would not be manupulated after the inspection.
The document examiner should not assume that there is only one seal. This is a wrong assumption or mis-preconception due to ignorance in the trade practices of carrier, freight forwarding and inspecting agent. A discrepancy based on such wrong assumption or mis-preconception is unfounded.
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THERE CAN BE MORE THAN ONE SEAL
Anyone may put a seal to the container (or to the goods as the case may be) to ensre that the container or the goods is/are "untouched" after adding the seal(s).
A container may have two seals, although this is not an usual situation. For example, when we were providing forwarding services, we often put two seals just to please our customers by giving an impression of added security, when we were loading the goods for our customers.
The inspecting agent may add a seal to the goods (or to the container) to ensure that the goods/container would not be manupulated after the inspection.
The document examiner should not assume that there is only one seal. This is a wrong assumption or mis-preconception due to ignorance in the trade practices of carrier, freight forwarding and inspecting agent. A discrepancy based on such wrong assumption or mis-preconception is unfounded.
http://www.tolee.com
[edited 9/8/01 4:50:50 PM]