Refusal Notice
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2002 12:00 am
OUR NEW STRATEGY IN YEAR 2002
When we made our year end review of our participation in the Discussion Forum in 2001, we were amazed that we had contributed the largest number of opinions, more than 440. We think we have to change our strategy in 2002 not to response immediately to any query or comments by other members, eventhough they may be on our opinions, to allow other members who have the same opinions to voice out theirs first. In that case, to be frank, we may save our time spent in the Discussion Forum and use the time saved to find our rice and noodles. So from now on our silence does not mean our acceptance of any comments made on our opinions expressed here.
Having said that, there is always an exception to every rule. If there is urgency in the query itself or we are very interested in the issue, we may respond promptly, provided we have the time for it.
From our past experience in response to queries in the Discussion Forum, we may be handicapped in time to respond as we in Toronto are six hours behind Europe and 12 hours behind Asia. Well, it all depends on where the query comes from. If it is from North America, then we would have some advantage in timing.
WAITING FOR A WHITE KNIGHT
So when we saw Khalid's comments on our opinions regarding our use of "on behalf of or otherwise upon authorization of" to describe the nominated bank in carrying out the instructions or request from the issuing bank, we chose not to respond promptly to allow some white knights to point out that Khalid's interpretation may not be correct. And this time the white knight is Laurence. Thanks for his clarification by quoting Article 10 of the UCP 500. This also evidences that our new strategy does work out in a way that we have expected.
HOW WE SHOULD QUOTE SOMEONE ELSE'S WRITINGS
Our opinions expressed hereunder are agreed by a member of the UCP 500 Working Party when we talked to him by phone concerning his writings often being quoted to support an individual's incorrect interpretations of his writings.
Sub Article 18 is not drafted by the UCP 500 Working Party. It existed in previous versions of the UCP. It only tries to cover the risks of the issuing bank when other parties (including non banks) do not carry out the tasks instructed by the issuing bank that makes the sole decision to chooses such parties. It does not change, and also has to be read in conjunction with, the responsibilities and liabilities of the issuing bank as mentioned in the important Articles 9 & 10 of the UCP 500 where the DC gets its credibility.
HOW WE SHOULD QUOTE THE UCP ARTICLES TO SUPPORT OUR INTERPRETATION
In any debate, or in doing case studies, we often indicate to the participants of our workshops that it is a dangerous habit to read any UCP Article in isolation to support one's incorrect interpretation. It is also important to find out whether that particular Article existed before the birth of the UCP 500. If it was, then we should trace back its origin (the version of the UCP where this Article first appeared) and interpret its meaning in the context of the trade environment at that particular historic time frame.
This is as simple as opening a MS Word 97 document, one should use the MS Word 97 software. If it is opened with a later version, say MS Word 2000, some of the alignments may be shifted. This is particularly so in opening a WordPerfect 5.0 document with a MS Word 2000 software.
READ OUR WORDS CAREFULLY AND DON'T ASSUME OR IMPLY
Please read the words in our opinions or comments carefully, and don't make any assumption or implication, as Jeremy sometimes does. So far we regard the issue of "whether a nominated bank is or is not an agent of the issuing bank" a complicated one, all depending on the local legislation and there is no "one size to fit all" answer, since all the legislations may be different. Even agency laws may be different from one legislation to another. That is what we are trying to say.
DIFFERENT TREATMENTS OF QUERIES FROM THE FLOOR IN DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS
In a basic workshop, participants always expect us to give "one firm answer" to a query, according to the comments collected at the end of the workshop.
In an advanced workshop, we cannot give "one firm answer", and it is our duty to point out the various possible answers. However, certain participants would not understand this and may blame us for not giving one firm answer to a query, known from their feedbacks collected afterwards.
Too bad, they have walked in the wrong room! That is what we could respond to such comments. Understanding and professional organizers like Hatem do understand that this is not our fault.
http://www.tolee.com
[edited 1/3/02 5:54:30 PM]
When we made our year end review of our participation in the Discussion Forum in 2001, we were amazed that we had contributed the largest number of opinions, more than 440. We think we have to change our strategy in 2002 not to response immediately to any query or comments by other members, eventhough they may be on our opinions, to allow other members who have the same opinions to voice out theirs first. In that case, to be frank, we may save our time spent in the Discussion Forum and use the time saved to find our rice and noodles. So from now on our silence does not mean our acceptance of any comments made on our opinions expressed here.
Having said that, there is always an exception to every rule. If there is urgency in the query itself or we are very interested in the issue, we may respond promptly, provided we have the time for it.
From our past experience in response to queries in the Discussion Forum, we may be handicapped in time to respond as we in Toronto are six hours behind Europe and 12 hours behind Asia. Well, it all depends on where the query comes from. If it is from North America, then we would have some advantage in timing.
WAITING FOR A WHITE KNIGHT
So when we saw Khalid's comments on our opinions regarding our use of "on behalf of or otherwise upon authorization of" to describe the nominated bank in carrying out the instructions or request from the issuing bank, we chose not to respond promptly to allow some white knights to point out that Khalid's interpretation may not be correct. And this time the white knight is Laurence. Thanks for his clarification by quoting Article 10 of the UCP 500. This also evidences that our new strategy does work out in a way that we have expected.
HOW WE SHOULD QUOTE SOMEONE ELSE'S WRITINGS
Our opinions expressed hereunder are agreed by a member of the UCP 500 Working Party when we talked to him by phone concerning his writings often being quoted to support an individual's incorrect interpretations of his writings.
Sub Article 18 is not drafted by the UCP 500 Working Party. It existed in previous versions of the UCP. It only tries to cover the risks of the issuing bank when other parties (including non banks) do not carry out the tasks instructed by the issuing bank that makes the sole decision to chooses such parties. It does not change, and also has to be read in conjunction with, the responsibilities and liabilities of the issuing bank as mentioned in the important Articles 9 & 10 of the UCP 500 where the DC gets its credibility.
HOW WE SHOULD QUOTE THE UCP ARTICLES TO SUPPORT OUR INTERPRETATION
In any debate, or in doing case studies, we often indicate to the participants of our workshops that it is a dangerous habit to read any UCP Article in isolation to support one's incorrect interpretation. It is also important to find out whether that particular Article existed before the birth of the UCP 500. If it was, then we should trace back its origin (the version of the UCP where this Article first appeared) and interpret its meaning in the context of the trade environment at that particular historic time frame.
This is as simple as opening a MS Word 97 document, one should use the MS Word 97 software. If it is opened with a later version, say MS Word 2000, some of the alignments may be shifted. This is particularly so in opening a WordPerfect 5.0 document with a MS Word 2000 software.
READ OUR WORDS CAREFULLY AND DON'T ASSUME OR IMPLY
Please read the words in our opinions or comments carefully, and don't make any assumption or implication, as Jeremy sometimes does. So far we regard the issue of "whether a nominated bank is or is not an agent of the issuing bank" a complicated one, all depending on the local legislation and there is no "one size to fit all" answer, since all the legislations may be different. Even agency laws may be different from one legislation to another. That is what we are trying to say.
DIFFERENT TREATMENTS OF QUERIES FROM THE FLOOR IN DIFFERENT WORKSHOPS
In a basic workshop, participants always expect us to give "one firm answer" to a query, according to the comments collected at the end of the workshop.
In an advanced workshop, we cannot give "one firm answer", and it is our duty to point out the various possible answers. However, certain participants would not understand this and may blame us for not giving one firm answer to a query, known from their feedbacks collected afterwards.
Too bad, they have walked in the wrong room! That is what we could respond to such comments. Understanding and professional organizers like Hatem do understand that this is not our fault.
http://www.tolee.com
[edited 1/3/02 5:54:30 PM]